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  Recent JW EXPEDITIONS TO MOUNT ARARAT

  by Utopian Reformist in

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  despite the apparent redundancy, i would like to introduce the subject from a different perspective.

  around 1996 i came in contact with a jw pioneer named "francesco annunziata" from naples, italy.. francesco was involved with a man (inactive jw) named angelo palego, with whom he has made several expeditions to mt.

  ararat searching the famous ahora gorge for remnants of the ark.. the majority of the more technical and geological/scientific information is in italian, but there is enough information posted in english to merit attention.. i posted this subject in an effort to move away from discussing the flood, size of the flood and/or location of the flood.

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  Hi Alan: I knew you would arrive just in time. Mike and I spoke yesterday and he told me you guys talked a few times last week. I think I might see what I can do about getting a "Photo-Drama of Creation" in spanish from him for future use. He still has hundreds of original hand-painted slides and a few more original complete sets.

  Anyway, back to the business at hand. I told everyone that I knew these two JW researchers. I e-mailed them and a copy of their response follows (minus the MIME e-mail headers to protect my private e-mail address and name):
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  From: "Info from Noahsarkwebsite" < [email protected]>
  Subject: Re: Saluti dall'America!
  Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:27:04 +0100
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  Caro fratello Mario,

  E un piacere confermarti che stiamo bene. Siamo sempre contenti di poter salutare fratelli sparsi per il mondo e di constatare come la nostra sia una reale fratellanza senza confini.

  Come dici tu, ci sono molti siti che parlano delle nostre ricerche e
  spedizioni relative all'arca di Noe' comunque se vuoi sapere realmente come stanno le cose devi semplicemente consultare il nostro sito ufficiale: http://www.noahsark.it

  Molti cosiddetti esperti mettono in dubbio i nostri risultati, ma come potrai leggere direttamente dal sito, ce ne sono molti altri che li confermano; ad esempio l'Universita di Torino o l'Accademia di Yerevan, ecc..

  Su alcuni siti potrai leggere affermazioni che tendono a farci apparire come "falsificatori di notizie"; ho gia provveduto a contattare alcuni di essi e mostrare le nostre ragioni e prove. Qualche sito ha rettificato, altri non mi hanno neanche risposto. Ma non ci preoccupiamo di loro.

  Siamo consapevoli che se qualcuno vuole veramente sapere come stanno le cose, ce lo chiederanno personalmente. Cosi sentiti libero di formularci qualsiasi domanda e stai certo che otterrai tutte le risposte.

  Nel frattempo ti comunico in anteprima che ci sono buone probabilita di ottenere tutti i permessi governativi che ci permetteranno fra non molto di intraprendere una spedizione in loco per cercare di estrarre dai ghiacci quel che rimane dell'arca. Ti terremmo sicuramente informato in merito a qualsiasi novita. Se me lo permetti inserisco il tuo indirizzo nella nostra
  mailing-list.

  Possa Geova benedire te e la tua famiglia.
  Tuoi compagni nell'opera di predicazione mondiale del veniente Regno di Dio, fraternamente ti salutiamo.
  Francesco e Angelo.
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  Who wants to translate? (unless everyone trusts me)
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  Recent JW EXPEDITIONS TO MOUNT ARARAT

  by Utopian Reformist in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  despite the apparent redundancy, i would like to introduce the subject from a different perspective.

  around 1996 i came in contact with a jw pioneer named "francesco annunziata" from naples, italy.. francesco was involved with a man (inactive jw) named angelo palego, with whom he has made several expeditions to mt.

  ararat searching the famous ahora gorge for remnants of the ark.. the majority of the more technical and geological/scientific information is in italian, but there is enough information posted in english to merit attention.. i posted this subject in an effort to move away from discussing the flood, size of the flood and/or location of the flood.

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  Shecky2:

  OK. For the sake of argument, I accept your evidence and it proves the originals posted on the site were frauds.

  Now, how do we prove your photos aren't reverse engineered?
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  Recent JW EXPEDITIONS TO MOUNT ARARAT

  by Utopian Reformist in

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  despite the apparent redundancy, i would like to introduce the subject from a different perspective.

  around 1996 i came in contact with a jw pioneer named "francesco annunziata" from naples, italy.. francesco was involved with a man (inactive jw) named angelo palego, with whom he has made several expeditions to mt.

  ararat searching the famous ahora gorge for remnants of the ark.. the majority of the more technical and geological/scientific information is in italian, but there is enough information posted in english to merit attention.. i posted this subject in an effort to move away from discussing the flood, size of the flood and/or location of the flood.

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  Hi Faithful2Jah:

  Perhaps, you will be proven right. I always leave room for doubt, until I have enough facts to risk making a judgment for myself. Right now, I haven't heard my friends version of the story.

  When I do, I will post it and we will compare notes/theories. The photos don't appear doctored, unless I make an extra effort to conjure that appearance. Photos never accurately portray reality anyway, especially in the moment an image is captured. I say let's wait and see.
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  Focus: Who is JOEL GOTT?

  by sf in

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  whois information for watchtower.org:.

  registrar: network solutions, inc. .

  organization: watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. .

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  ChuckD:

  Were you ever in the East Providence area? Which hall did you serve in while in RI?
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  Can Lawyers assist on Judicial Committees?

  by bj in

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  do you know of any judicial committee cases, were the victim brought a lawyer to defend him or something similar?

  at least during the inquisition they could athough it was rear!.

  looking foward for your comments.. joe

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  I believe if you pose the ultimatum, most bodies will notify the service desk and opt for approval to make the dreaded "announcement" without your input or another meeting.

  They don't deliberate too long when it comes to defiance. They move quickly to avoid others mimicking the example.
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  Recent JW EXPEDITIONS TO MOUNT ARARAT

  by Utopian Reformist in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  despite the apparent redundancy, i would like to introduce the subject from a different perspective.

  around 1996 i came in contact with a jw pioneer named "francesco annunziata" from naples, italy.. francesco was involved with a man (inactive jw) named angelo palego, with whom he has made several expeditions to mt.

  ararat searching the famous ahora gorge for remnants of the ark.. the majority of the more technical and geological/scientific information is in italian, but there is enough information posted in english to merit attention.. i posted this subject in an effort to move away from discussing the flood, size of the flood and/or location of the flood.

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  Greetings Shecky2:

  Who cares you ask? Those that were invited to review and share their thoughts about the ark expeditions. When evaluating a matter like this one, all details-minute or magnanimous become important and have a degree of relevance in drawing an intelligent conclusion.

  I am content to await the responses from my compatriots and engage in further discussion. If you are academically interested, please oblige yourself. If you are looking for confrontation, let's handle that in another topic, in other words (step outside - digitally speaking).
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  Recent JW EXPEDITIONS TO MOUNT ARARAT

  by Utopian Reformist in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  despite the apparent redundancy, i would like to introduce the subject from a different perspective.

  around 1996 i came in contact with a jw pioneer named "francesco annunziata" from naples, italy.. francesco was involved with a man (inactive jw) named angelo palego, with whom he has made several expeditions to mt.

  ararat searching the famous ahora gorge for remnants of the ark.. the majority of the more technical and geological/scientific information is in italian, but there is enough information posted in english to merit attention.. i posted this subject in an effort to move away from discussing the flood, size of the flood and/or location of the flood.

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  OK. I just sent Angelo and Francesco an e-mail asking for their version of the facts surrounding the "doctoring of images" controversy.

  Just a side point. Although the other site lists "Noah's Ark Images" rather than photos does not necessarily prove or exclude anything. Remember, these guys are not native english speakers. In italian, the word "IMMAGINE" can mean a drawing, photograph, image, likeness, etc.

  They were probably just seeking to translate in english "a-la-web-speak" for images or photos, like jpeg, gif, tiff.
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  The Pope...

  by Abaddon in

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  ... well, in addition to condoms being bad, now the pope says lawyers who work on divorce cases are doing something bad.. poor old guy; he should retire, but he really believes and will likely die in harness or become so decrepit that he is no longer capable and will be replaced.. however, at least jw's don't corner the market in saying stupid things!.

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  people living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...

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  The clothing he wears could feed hundreds in Africa/Asia. If he were assasinated tommorow, I wouldn't be surprised nor disappointed.

  As a matter of fact, throw the entire clergy in the same basket.
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  Recent JW EXPEDITIONS TO MOUNT ARARAT

  by Utopian Reformist in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  despite the apparent redundancy, i would like to introduce the subject from a different perspective.

  around 1996 i came in contact with a jw pioneer named "francesco annunziata" from naples, italy.. francesco was involved with a man (inactive jw) named angelo palego, with whom he has made several expeditions to mt.

  ararat searching the famous ahora gorge for remnants of the ark.. the majority of the more technical and geological/scientific information is in italian, but there is enough information posted in english to merit attention.. i posted this subject in an effort to move away from discussing the flood, size of the flood and/or location of the flood.

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  Well, I guess that pretty much does it folks. There is enough controversy to rebutt my two italian friends. It will be interesting to hear their side. I will post their e-mail replies, once I receive them.

  I have visited those other sites in the past, and was not satifsfied because of what I had learned in communication with Palego's group.
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  Why I think the Borg will have another enemy soon.

  by Mindchild in

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  there is that old story i'm reminded of sometimes about the world being full of three types of people.

  the people who make things happen, the people who watch things happen, and the people who have no idea of what is going on.

  i thought you might want to at least be in the second catagory so i wanted to share something i found interesting with you.. i have two short poems and a short story for you to read below, and if you care to read these you might find something quite remarkable about them.. long years have passed.

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  Extremely interesting post MindChild! I love this stuff and thx alot for sharing. Awesome!